Could they not then declare you an enemy of the state.......then you have no rights......and the military could be used against you......correct or not ?????????
Maybe I don't understand why I should not take this so lightly, but I don't really believe the military is going to start yanking innocent citizens off the street and stuffing them into black vans that speed off to no where. Do you?
As I said in my previous post, I'm putting a positive spin on it and assuming this is to simply make it harder on the bad guys that are residing in our country. Am I wrong to believe this way?
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Maybe I don't understand why I should not take this so lightly, but I don't really believe the military is going to start yanking innocent citizens off the street and stuffing them into black vans that speed off to no where. Do you?
As I said in my previous post, I'm putting a positive spin on it and assuming this is to simply make it harder on the bad guys that are residing in our country. Am I wrong to believe this way?
Come on Steve, you know I'm being extreme for the hell of it. I'm with you, except, many things can be used in manners than otherwise originally intended...and they are. I can guarantee you that, if push came to shove, and the right circumstances came to fruition...that indeed someone could be and would be "acquired" as described though. Tools are just that, tools. If the opportunity presents itself, it could be used as such.
The intent of the legislation is to make it harder on the bad guys. Problems arise when it could legally be applied otherwise.
I know Eric is intelligent, never questioned that and he knows I'm playing with extremes, he's just passionate and takes a stance. I admire that, so I taunt him, but I do do it using parameters within the issue being discussed. What I like about it is that it makes people think about many aspects of what is being discussed. To me, that makes for healthy discussion, even in fun...and it might draw more interest than a dull discussion of the letters of the law.....
Come on Steve, you know I'm being extreme for the hell of it. I'm with you, except, many things can be used in manners than otherwise originally intended...and they are. I can guarantee you that, if push came to shove, and the right circumstances came to fruition...that indeed someone could be and would be "acquired" as described though. Tools are just that, tools. If the opportunity presents itself, it could be used as such.
The intent of the legislation is to make it harder on the bad guys. Problems arise when it could legally be applied otherwise.
I know Eric is intelligent, never questioned that and he knows I'm playing with extremes, he's just passionate and takes a stance. I admire that, so I taunt him, but I do do it using parameters within the issue being discussed. What I like about it is that it makes people think about many aspects of what is being discussed. To me, that makes for healthy discussion, even in fun...and it might draw more interest than a dull discussion of the letters of the law.....
Sorry. Guess I wasn't smart enough to read between your lines. Let the Obama bashing continue! LONG LIVE BUSH! GOD REST THE SOUL OF RONALD REAGAN; ONE OF THE GREATEST PRESIDENTS TO EVER LIVE!
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In the 80's I was skeptical of the Soviet govt., today I'm skeptical of the of the USA's. Don't know how much more hope and change I care to see....
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Thomas Jefferson
So despite the Sixth Amendment’s guarantee of a right to trial, the Senate bill would let the government lock up any citizen it swears is a terrorist, without the burden of proving its case to an independent judge, and would place domestic terror investigations and interrogations into the hands of the military and which would open the door for trial-free, indefinite detention of anyone, including American citizens, so long as the government calls them terrorists. And because the Senate is using the bill that authorizes funding for the military as its vehicle for this dramatic constitutional claim, it’s pretty likely to pass.
So much for innocent until proven guilty. So much for limited government. What Americans are now facing is quite literally the end of the line. We will either uphold the freedoms baked into our Constitutional Republic, or we will scrap the entire project in the name of security as we wage, endlessly, this War on Terror.
The mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn’t limited to foreigners. It’s confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the University of Texas’ Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan authority on military detention — “U.S. citizens are included in the grant of detention authority.”
An amendment that would limit military detentions to people captured overseas failed last Thursday afternoon. The Senate soundly defeated a measure to strip out all the detention provisions today.
We’re talking about the stripping away of our most basic freedoms! We’re talking about the potential that the government can call me a terrorist for writing this post and then lock me up and throw away the key! This is not what I served 20 years in the military for!
Task Master: OK guys, you all are subjected to 3 lashes for misbehavior. But, the Warden says you can put anything on your back you think may help ease the pain. First up: Jones
Jones: I'd like oil on my back, please.
Task Master: OK, put oil on his back. (oil is applied) OK, now take your three lashes ...
So despite the Sixth Amendment’s guarantee of a right to trial, the Senate bill would let the government lock up any citizen it swears is a terrorist, without the burden of proving its case to an independent judge, and would place domestic terror investigations and interrogations into the hands of the military and which would open the door for trial-free, indefinite detention of anyone, including American citizens, so long as the government calls them terrorists. And because the Senate is using the bill that authorizes funding for the military as its vehicle for this dramatic constitutional claim, it’s pretty likely to pass.
So much for innocent until proven guilty. So much for limited government. What Americans are now facing is quite literally the end of the line. We will either uphold the freedoms baked into our Constitutional Republic, or we will scrap the entire project in the name of security as we wage, endlessly, this War on Terror.
The mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn’t limited to foreigners. It’s confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the University of Texas’ Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan authority on military detention — “U.S. citizens are included in the grant of detention authority.”
An amendment that would limit military detentions to people captured overseas failed last Thursday afternoon. The Senate soundly defeated a measure to strip out all the detention provisions today.
We’re talking about the stripping away of our most basic freedoms! We’re talking about the potential that the government can call me a terrorist for writing this post and then lock me up and throw away the key! This is not what I served 20 years in the military for!
The more we borrow from China the more we behave like China?!
Good grief - I hear there's a possibility of "Earth 2" some 600 light years away. Technology to time warp travel can't come soon enough. I'd go ... start over ... too much space for anyone to start building a country or its government by the time I'd die. Could get a plot of land, build a new home for me and the lady, raise our pet dinosaur and be long dead before anyone had an idea of how to start a government.
And, finally, look who is in the lead for the GOP!!
One supposed adulterer (H. Cain) steps aside for the moment and one known two-time adulterer takes the lead (N. Gingrich)
You can thank yourselves for Barack Obama. Had registered Republicans voted for John McCain back when he was running against GWBush in the 2000 primaries, we'd live in a whole different world, right now. But, push-polling and other underhanded tactics are cool on the Right, no?
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Push poll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Perhaps the most famous use of push polls is in the 2000 United States Republican Party primaries, when it was alleged that George W. Bush's campaign used push polling to torpedo the campaign of Senator John McCain. Voters in South Carolina reportedly were asked "Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?" The poll's allegation had no substance, but was heard by thousands of primary voters.
Someone on the Right needs to front/collect some money and get Jon Huntsman & Gary Johnson on the ticket. Trump, Romney, Gingrich, Cain, Palin, Bachmann, Perry, Santorum and Paul are too ridiculous and we need people more calm, more collected, and less trigger-happy on the tongue.
Look at who the mainstream media are ignoring and get THOSE people back on the ticket. Boring to the MSM means they have depth, not drama.
Get me Huntsman/Johnson or Johnson/Huntsman on the ticket and you will most-likely get my vote for them. Don't you crave, once in your life, voting FOR someone versus AGAINST the other candidate?
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