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Yep, bunch of conspiracy and fringe thinking. Don't post this shit here. This is not A Linbaugh and Fox news site.

I like it. If you are not well versed enough in what goes on in the real world just sit back and let the adults chat......lol
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Preach it Stingray.

I dont understand why some take this so personal, it's not an attack on them for what they beleive or their political affiliation. It's good to hear others points of view whether I agree with them or not. We are all friends here and most would give the shirt off their back to help another member.

Thanks forum members, some of this gives me a lot to think about and maybe a perspective I had not considered. Thanks again,
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Preach it Stingray.

I dont understand why some take this so personal, it's not an attack on them for what they beleive or their political affiliation. It's good to hear others points of view whether I agree with them or not. We are all friends here and most would give the shirt off their back to help another member.

Thanks forum members, some of this gives me a lot to think about and maybe a perspective I had not considered. Thanks again,
I can give you one point of view, if you're interested ...

It's because this is a motorcycle forum built around the Honda Fury ... period. And, we've built this comaraderie between people on this forum when one person helps another with an issue about the Honda Fury. The bond is seemingly unbreakable because we ALL have the same goal in mind; ride and tweak the Fury.

But, then someone brings up a topic that has, at least, two differing opinions; religion, politics, whatever. And, those topics are divisive. And, then, someone says something in a very generalized way about one side or the other that alienates people on this Forum.

This Forum is meant to bring people together, not split them apart. There are many other places to take up conversations about anything other than the Honda Fury ... and, I know, there's also the "Lounge", where almost anything goes.

On that ... I've always taken it that the Lounge is for other topics than the Fury that are helpful that have nothing to do with the Fury. Helpful like, "I found a great place to buy coffee on-line" ... not, "Here's what you need to know about candidate A versus candidate B."

And, didn't the Moderators post something about the rules of the Forum just a few months ago that said, of all things, politics were not to be discussed on this site? (Don't start down the, "that's censorship" path, either)

Anyway, I'm starting to ramble. The point is, stick to things that help one another about the Fury and motorcycling. Take the gun rights, politics and religion topics to Facebook or elsewhere, in my honest opinion.

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I agree with everything you said Alan. However, we all have strayed from the golden path from time to time. At least some can do it respectfully, and others, umm, not so respectively.
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Respectfully!!!
Keep calling all Latinos have no "education" or don't know how to "vote" or we don't have any "money" or we are not "American" or we don't "die" for this country or all we do is "take" from the government or we don't know nothing about "politics" or we all "illegals"...keep thinking that way and your candidate will never occupy the White House again...


I try to be respectful and help everyone here and be part of the fury family, but this type of threads all it does is divide and offend...And I don't like it...

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I agree with everything you said Alan. However, we all have strayed from the golden path from time to time. At least some can do it respectfully, and others, umm, not so respectively.
I know. I've probably done it. Politics and all of its associated 3rd-rail topics are hot buttons that create hot tempers.

The only heated things that were ever discussed about the Fury was when S&W was ripping people off ... and even THAT united this Forum.

Just sayin' ... when generalized, labeling comments are made, it can alienate people. When people call this a "Christian nation" all the while saying they love America (even though the American experiment is getting people from all backgrounds to come here to this great melting pot), it alienates some; I'm not a Christian, so is this not my nation?

When people call other who vote for Romney "rednecks" or the ones who voted for Obama "morons", it's alienating.

I think 3rd-rail topics ought be barred from this Forum:
Politics
Religion
Abortion
Gun Rights

Here are some examples of others:
Third rail of politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is where you can join to talk about these topics if it's your desire:
ThirdRailForum - Index

And, I'll be honest ... if 3rd-rail topics keep coming up and if I feel alienated on a Forum where I think I have personally made my share in contributions of How-To guides and other researched answers, I'll just stop participating altogether. I won't announce, "I'm outta here" like others have, I'll just split and keep in touch with the people from this Forum with whom I've made friends and connected on Facebook.

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Pablo and Alan, that is what I was trying to say, although less lucidly than you guys. I know I have participated and voiced my opinion in 3rd rail topics before, but I am certain I never demeaned or insulted anybody, like some are wont to do. If I ever have, shame on me.
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Pablo and Alan, that is what I was trying to say, although less lucidly than you guys. I know I have participated and voiced my opinion in 3rd rail topics before, but I am certain I never demeaned or insulted anybody, like some are wont to do. If I ever have, shame on me.
I'm not pointing the finger at you, Greg, nor do I think is Pablo.

The point I'm making is, bring up a topic like this and it WILL definitely bring out the more extreme views and, thus, the labeling. I'm not going back to read this whole thread, but I'm sure someone commented that "it's the Liberal Lefties who want to take away everyone's guns."

I am socially Liberal and fiscally Conservative. I don't just say it, I live it. And, I'll put a handout to a person in need over a new part for my motorcycle, or ammo for my shotgun (trap & skeet shooter) any day of the week. And, I identify with the Left more than the Right because the Right adopts a lot of the views of the EXTREME RIGHT that completely alienate me ... I'm not Christian, I don't believe in Hell, and I don't know if there is or isn't God; I just live and let live, for the most part.

Back to the topic of this thread ... if you want unhindered gun rights, take a look at the Middle East and how it seems everyone runs around with an AK-47. Everyone owning a gun doesn't reduce violence - it just makes a fair fight for almost everyone, is all. I don't want to live anywhere where the people come out in the streets always carrying their guns with them - that doesn't make me feel any safer; especially with so many hot-tempered people. I don't own a pistol because I'm afraid of losing my cool and doing something stupid and irreversible.

Dirty Harry said it best, "A man's got to know his limitations." If we all could live by that, we wouldn't need to go down all these 3rd-rail paths.

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I just finished listening to political BS for the past year. Every time I turned on the radio,opened a newspaper, answered the telephone or sat in front of the TV. I was hoping after the election all this crap would stop! Now I sit down here to talk and listen to my fellow forum buddies discuss something we all have in common "the love of riding our Furies" but instead of discussing bikes, we are back to fighting one another about issues none of us are going to change. Someone please PM me when this all ends........Thank You

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