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I think ebay was, im waiting another month or so then getting the powercommander
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hond...8025720QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
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i think it has more tailorable options, I had it on my CBR but that was tuned from the shop that did all the head work, fuel system and everything on a dyno so i didnt want to mess with it. the cobra is just adjustable from a couple knobs which would make it alot more simple to use.
i think it just depends on what your into, being able to adjust on the fly or needing to plug into a computer but having more options to tailor it more. I think thats the main differences
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Just rode a little felt great . Power commander all the way . Just my 2 cents
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well if you did your programming yourself, your better off than I. I have done GM trucks and cars, this will be my first bike i try My bike was a suprise so i had no say in what was done. But from the way it looks the Cobra is more restricted but is about 60 bucks cheaper.
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i got mine from ebay for 189.95.super nice unit.
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Just curious as to the warranty on the controllers and are they pretty much bulletproof? Anyone ever have one go bad? If so, what'd you do?
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I was wondering that myself, because I've read two posts from two different people that said since they installed their Fi2000r their bike stinks of fuel, but that's two out of how many on here who use this particular controller. Did they have the pots set correctly...??...maybe not. Mine seems to work just fine and I've never heard very many negative things about them. Not sure about the warranty. Doubt that I'll ever have to use it.
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if they smell like fuel ,it is getting to much fuel.back the pots off some.most of the time they try to adjust all the pots at once.wont work.start with left low speed or idle pot,then mid range center pot,then high speed right pot.change them 1 click at the time.you can tell when they are right.good start point is factory 1 2 0.good luck.
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Yes I have had 2 of them shipped bad out of the box. Go Power commander.
The cobra fi in MY opinion is junk and pointless.
If you are going to spend money on a controller, my opinion, get one that is going to work at all rpm bands not at a preset rpm band. You can dick with the fi pots until Jesus comes back and you will only be fooling yourself into believing it is working, that is unless you are running 100 mph everywhere you go.
After having 3 of them on 3 different bikes (BTW none never did work right) and a master motorcycle mechanic instructor tell me that the cobra fi will only start working once the bike hits 3000+ rpms otherwise, its a pc of crap and extra wires for nothing. And last I know a hundred people will tell me I got it wrong, my response, Bu--S---t, I spend freaking big money on the fi junk and every mechanic that knows anything that I have ever talked to says its a waste of time. Just my 99 cents.
The cobra fi in MY opinion is junk and pointless.
If you are going to spend money on a controller, my opinion, get one that is going to work at all rpm bands not at a preset rpm band. You can dick with the fi pots until Jesus comes back and you will only be fooling yourself into believing it is working, that is unless you are running 100 mph everywhere you go.
After having 3 of them on 3 different bikes (BTW none never did work right) and a master motorcycle mechanic instructor tell me that the cobra fi will only start working once the bike hits 3000+ rpms otherwise, its a pc of crap and extra wires for nothing. And last I know a hundred people will tell me I got it wrong, my response, Bu--S---t, I spend freaking big money on the fi junk and every mechanic that knows anything that I have ever talked to says its a waste of time. Just my 99 cents.
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I'm an old carburator shadetree guy....give me some needlevalves, etc...but I like fuel injection, just don't understand it......seriously thinking of getting a fuggin controller with some fuggin pipes....I know they've preset them for the Fury with stock air.....but do they eventually crap out like a computer? Or do they last forever like a cheap radio? Gar, Doug, Tony, anyone? The fuggin controls the fuel only, as I understand it....and is adjustable....but Gary, you say they basically don't work and if they happen to, it would be at 3000+ rpm - would that apply to Fuggins as well?
Gotta make my decision this evening, any input would be appreciated. Thanks,
Bob
Gotta make my decision this evening, any input would be appreciated. Thanks,
Bob
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I'm only talking about the cobra fi, can't speak for any other controllers like fuggin, they are likely better than cobra.
From what I was told the 3000 rpm preset is the cobra fi only not all controllers, PC doesn't work like that, the PC map is the input for all rpm bands, so basically it is working all the time to control fuel unlike the cobra fi.
Don't get me wrong I'm no fi guru, but I am about $800 less in my pocket over a few years for screwing around with the cobra fi and cobra will never get 10 cents from me for an fi. Cool pipes but screw their controller.
I put a PC controller on a 1700 Roadstar after dicking with the cobra fi for month and low and behold, the PC made the damn bike run bad ass just as they say it will. Also had a ton of maps to choose from for different set ups.
Just do good research and don't rely on what others say including me. I had to learn from experience at a high price and an after the fact talk with a good mechanic.
From what I was told the 3000 rpm preset is the cobra fi only not all controllers, PC doesn't work like that, the PC map is the input for all rpm bands, so basically it is working all the time to control fuel unlike the cobra fi.
Don't get me wrong I'm no fi guru, but I am about $800 less in my pocket over a few years for screwing around with the cobra fi and cobra will never get 10 cents from me for an fi. Cool pipes but screw their controller.
I put a PC controller on a 1700 Roadstar after dicking with the cobra fi for month and low and behold, the PC made the damn bike run bad ass just as they say it will. Also had a ton of maps to choose from for different set ups.
Just do good research and don't rely on what others say including me. I had to learn from experience at a high price and an after the fact talk with a good mechanic.
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Gary, like you said, I am definitely no expert either, and probably much less than you since you've had all this experience with different controllers. This is my first fuel injected bike and thus my first time using a fuel controller. I just find it strange that so many different people can have such different experiences with the same little piece of equipment.
I have wondered and still wonder if my Fi2000r is really doing anything at all, or would my bike run just as well without it? It doesn't seem to be hurting it and since I've already spent the money, I guess I'll just leave it in there. It will be interesting to learn even more about these controllers from everyone's experiences as time passes. What will we all be using this time next year?
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i dont need maps.i can set the fi2000 and go about my business.i have never ran into a bad one.i also like the option of being able to set it anyway or anytime i want to.
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I was never able to notice any differences with the fi when I adjusted pots, and I adjusted them a lot trying to find the sweet spot, never did.
I am running cobras with a modified (cut off) baffle and stock air, no controller. Bike runs good as hell, not hot, no bluing, nothing. So mine is staying that way. At some point when I put on after market air I will go with the PC, but for now, not worrying about it.
Honestly I just hate to see people spending money on the fi and not really getting what they think they should be getting. I put the PC on my Roadstar after I ditched the fi and that convinced me to trust PC.
I am running cobras with a modified (cut off) baffle and stock air, no controller. Bike runs good as hell, not hot, no bluing, nothing. So mine is staying that way. At some point when I put on after market air I will go with the PC, but for now, not worrying about it.
Honestly I just hate to see people spending money on the fi and not really getting what they think they should be getting. I put the PC on my Roadstar after I ditched the fi and that convinced me to trust PC.
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Tried 'em both
Started the summer with the Fi2000, which I ordered after putting the cobra swepts on the bike and it ran like crap; very cold-startish, easy to stall at lights, somewhat erratic at different points in the powerband. Got the 2000 and the instructions say start with factory default of 1-2-0; except mine was factory default of 0-0-0, so I put it on like that and guess what THE BIKE RAN GREAT ... go figure. Ran it like that till I added the S&S air intake and bike ran crappy again. The FI got it running better, but I never did find a dial adjustment that satisifed me. And I tried DOZENS of settings. The best adjustment I got was to max out the settings near the high end of each pot, which ran better but I was often smelling fuel at lights, so at end of summer I said hell with it and got the PC5.
Only had the pc5 on there for a short while before the snow fell so I can only offer the following: using S&S dyno'ed map for fury/s&s intake/cobra swepts with baffles, the bike ran pretty smooth thru the powerband, but wasn't quite as strong off the line as the fi2000 made it, which was something I really liked. This is adjustable I'm sure, with nothing more than a laptop and some guys from NASA to come over to your house to help out. meh ...
CONCLUSION: [for what it's worth] FI2000: flimsy, not particularly well-built, and settings seem to produce wildly different results even for guys with same bike and intake/exhaust setup. HOWEVER, and this is a big however: the unit does work and you CAN do it yourself, which is worth a lot. Yeah, it may be kinda half-assed, bootstrap procedure, but at least you can do it and I think eventually, you make enough settings alterations, odds alone will dictate you'll get it right even if by accident. (If I were doing it over, I think I'd give the Fi2000 another couple weeks to see if I'd get it just right, but I wanted the pc5 and didn't realize at that time what the pc5 map situation really involved.)
PC5 - *much* better built, higher quality control, and allows for much finer tuning HOWEVER (same big however) if you don't have access to a skillfully operated dynotune machine, and the cash for a dyno run (as much as the pc5 itself in some cases), or a map made by someone who DID have access to the above, yer screwed. The company offers a base map, based on stock configuration, personally I don't think it'll do a damn thing for new pipes/air intake. S&S offers free maps for several configurations, albeit all with their air cleaner, which is reasonable enough. upshot is, yer not gonna do any casual adjustments with a pc5 - have the means and time to get it set right, whatever it takes, or you might be happier with the 2000. Also, signifigant changes in the future could mean a repeat of the whole dyno/map thing.
If you're leaning towards the PC5, don't take it for granted you can get it dyno'ed even if you decide to spend the money - call around first and find out who will do it, when they can get you in and how much they want - there are places you can't even get it done. In a couple years there'll be more customer-generated maps out there I'm sure, but for now it can be a serious pain in the ass. The Fi2000 will spare you all the map crap, but you might spend a lot of time trying to 'bootstrap' the settings to where they need to be.
I guess the only thing I can see with absolute certainty on this issue is I'm starting to really HATE FUCKING FUEL INJECTION; GIMME BACK MY CARBS!!!
Started the summer with the Fi2000, which I ordered after putting the cobra swepts on the bike and it ran like crap; very cold-startish, easy to stall at lights, somewhat erratic at different points in the powerband. Got the 2000 and the instructions say start with factory default of 1-2-0; except mine was factory default of 0-0-0, so I put it on like that and guess what THE BIKE RAN GREAT ... go figure. Ran it like that till I added the S&S air intake and bike ran crappy again. The FI got it running better, but I never did find a dial adjustment that satisifed me. And I tried DOZENS of settings. The best adjustment I got was to max out the settings near the high end of each pot, which ran better but I was often smelling fuel at lights, so at end of summer I said hell with it and got the PC5.
Only had the pc5 on there for a short while before the snow fell so I can only offer the following: using S&S dyno'ed map for fury/s&s intake/cobra swepts with baffles, the bike ran pretty smooth thru the powerband, but wasn't quite as strong off the line as the fi2000 made it, which was something I really liked. This is adjustable I'm sure, with nothing more than a laptop and some guys from NASA to come over to your house to help out. meh ...
CONCLUSION: [for what it's worth] FI2000: flimsy, not particularly well-built, and settings seem to produce wildly different results even for guys with same bike and intake/exhaust setup. HOWEVER, and this is a big however: the unit does work and you CAN do it yourself, which is worth a lot. Yeah, it may be kinda half-assed, bootstrap procedure, but at least you can do it and I think eventually, you make enough settings alterations, odds alone will dictate you'll get it right even if by accident. (If I were doing it over, I think I'd give the Fi2000 another couple weeks to see if I'd get it just right, but I wanted the pc5 and didn't realize at that time what the pc5 map situation really involved.)
PC5 - *much* better built, higher quality control, and allows for much finer tuning HOWEVER (same big however) if you don't have access to a skillfully operated dynotune machine, and the cash for a dyno run (as much as the pc5 itself in some cases), or a map made by someone who DID have access to the above, yer screwed. The company offers a base map, based on stock configuration, personally I don't think it'll do a damn thing for new pipes/air intake. S&S offers free maps for several configurations, albeit all with their air cleaner, which is reasonable enough. upshot is, yer not gonna do any casual adjustments with a pc5 - have the means and time to get it set right, whatever it takes, or you might be happier with the 2000. Also, signifigant changes in the future could mean a repeat of the whole dyno/map thing.
If you're leaning towards the PC5, don't take it for granted you can get it dyno'ed even if you decide to spend the money - call around first and find out who will do it, when they can get you in and how much they want - there are places you can't even get it done. In a couple years there'll be more customer-generated maps out there I'm sure, but for now it can be a serious pain in the ass. The Fi2000 will spare you all the map crap, but you might spend a lot of time trying to 'bootstrap' the settings to where they need to be.
I guess the only thing I can see with absolute certainty on this issue is I'm starting to really HATE FUCKING FUEL INJECTION; GIMME BACK MY CARBS!!!
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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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