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So I spent the weekend doing a few mods, one of which was installing some LEDs (will post pictures at some point this week). Anyway I wanted to see if I could find out some legal information regarding these and - Jesus! Anyone ever google this? I've found so much contraditory information I don't know what to think. The only real hard facts I found (generally speaking) was that red and blue are a no no. Also they can't stobe or blink or whatever. So anybody know? I'm mainly concerned with MD, VA, & WV (home state) as those are the states I'll be riding in. However I think many people could benifit from other state info as well.
 

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I believe 460Brevil owns a VA inspection station. I would PM him for VA guidelines. Otherwise your best bet is DMV.org, although I know reading through VA laws, I find myself confused with the lawyer speak on there.
 

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I believe 460Brevil owns a VA inspection station. I would PM him for VA guidelines. Otherwise your best bet is DMV.org, although I know reading through VA laws, I find myself confused with the lawyer speak on there.
I sorta did. I found a sight that will take you to the litiature for each state but..........well........without being a lawyer I couldn't seem to draw any conclusions.
 

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Here in Indiana it is legal to run lights as long as they are not projected to the rear or front. Only red and amber can be projected in these ways. (brake lights, taillights and marker lights). Also they cannot flash or strobe while in motion.
 

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§17C-15-26. Special restrictions on lamps.
(a) Any lighted lamp or illuminating device upon a motor vehicle other than head lamps, spot lamps, auxiliary lamps or flashing front-direction signals which projects a beam of light of an intensity greater than three hundred candlepower shall be so directed that no part of the beam will strike the level of the roadway on which the vehicle stands at a distance of more than seventy-five feet from the vehicle.
(b) No person may drive or move any vehicle or equipment upon any highway with any lamp or device on the vehicle displaying other than a white or amber light visible from directly in front of the center of the vehicle except as authorized by subsection (d) of this section.

(c) Except as authorized in subsections (d) and (f) of this section and authorized in section nineteen of this article, flashing lights are prohibited on motor vehicles: Provided, That any vehicle as a means for indicating right or left turn or any vehicle as a means of indicating the same is disabled or otherwise stopped for an emergency may have blinking or flashing lights.

(d) Notwithstanding any other provisions of this chapter, the following colors of flashing warning lights are restricted for the use of the type of vehicle designated:

(1) Blue flashing warning lights are restricted to police vehicles. Authorization for police vehicles shall be designated by the chief administrative official of each police department.

(2) Except for standard vehicle equipment authorized by section nineteen of this article, red flashing warning lights are restricted to the following:

(A) Ambulances;

(B) Fire-fighting vehicles;

(C) Hazardous material response vehicles;

(D) Industrial fire brigade vehicles;

(E) Rescue squad vehicles not operating out of a fire department;

(F) School buses;

(G) Class A vehicles, as defined by section one, article ten, chapter seventeen-a of this code, of those firefighters who are authorized by their fire chiefs to have the lights;

(H) Class A vehicles of members of duly chartered rescue squads not operating out of a fire department;

(I) Class A vehicles of members of ambulance services or duly chartered rescue squads who are authorized by their respective chiefs to have the lights;

(J) Class A vehicles of out-of-state residents who are active members of West Virginia fire departments, ambulance services or duly chartered rescue squads who are authorized by their respective chiefs to have the lights;

(K) West Virginia Department of Agriculture emergency response vehicles;

(L) Vehicles designated by the Secretary of the Department of Military Affairs and Public Safety for emergency response or emergency management by the Division of Corrections, Regional Jail and Correctional Facility Authority, Division of Juvenile Services and Division of Homeland Security and Emergency Management; and

(M) Class A vehicles of emergency response or emergency management personnel as designated by the Secretary of the Department of Military Affairs and Public Safety and the county commission of the county of residence.

Red flashing warning lights attached to a Class A vehicle may be operated only when responding to or engaged in handling an emergency requiring the attention of the firefighters, members of the ambulance services or chartered rescue squads.

(3) The use of red flashing warning lights is authorized as follows:

(A) Authorization for all ambulances shall be designated by the Department of Health and Human Resources and the sheriff of the county of residence.

(B) Authorization for all fire department vehicles shall be designated by the fire chief and the State Fire Marshal's office.

(C) Authorization for all hazardous material response vehicles and industrial fire brigades shall be designated by the chief of the fire department and the State Fire Marshal's office.

(D) Authorization for all rescue squad vehicles not operating out of a fire department shall be designated by the squad chief, the sheriff of the county of residence and the Department of Health and Human Resources.

(E) Authorization for school buses shall be designated as set out in section twelve, article fourteen of this chapter.

(F) Authorization for firefighters to operate Class A vehicles shall be designated by their fire chiefs and the State Fire Marshal's office.

(G) Authorization for members of ambulance services or any other emergency medical service personnel to operate Class A vehicles shall be designated by their chief official, the Department of Health and Human Resources and the sheriff of the county of residence.

(H) Authorization for members of duly chartered rescue squads not operating out of a fire department to operate Class A vehicles shall be designated by their squad chiefs, the sheriff of the county of residence and the Department of Health and Human Resources.

(I) Authorization for out-of-state residents operating Class A vehicles who are active members of a West Virginia fire department, ambulance services or duly chartered rescue squads shall be designated by their respective chiefs.

(J) Authorization for West Virginia Department of Agriculture emergency response vehicles shall be designated by the Commissioner of the Department of Agriculture.

(K) Authorization for vehicles for emergency response or emergency management by the Division of Corrections, Regional Jail and Correctional Facility Authority, Division of Juvenile Services and Division of Homeland Security and Emergency Management shall be designated by the Secretary of the Department of Military Affairs and Public Safety.

(L) Authorization for Class A vehicles of emergency response or emergency management personnel as designated by the Secretary of the Department of Military Affairs and Public Safety and the county commission of the county of residence.

(4) Yellow or amber flashing warning lights are restricted to the following:

(A) All other emergency vehicles, including tow trucks and wreckers, authorized by this chapter and by section twenty-seven of this article;

(B) Postal service vehicles and rural mail carriers, as authorized in section nineteen of this article;

(C) Rural newspaper delivery vehicles;

(D) Flag car services;

(E) Vehicles providing road service to disabled vehicles;

(F) Service vehicles of a public service corporation;

(G) Snow removal equipment;

(H) School buses; and

(I) Automotive fire apparatus owned by a municipality or other political subdivision, by a volunteer or part-volunteer fire company or department or by an industrial fire brigade.

(5) The use of yellow or amber flashing warning lights shall be authorized as follows:

(A) Authorization for tow trucks, wreckers, rural newspaper delivery vehicles, flag car services, vehicles providing road service to disabled vehicles, service vehicles of a public service corporation and postal service vehicles shall be designated by the sheriff of the county of residence.

(B) Authorization for snow removal equipment shall be designated by the Commissioner of the Division of Highways.

(C) Authorization for school buses shall be designated as set out in section twelve, article fourteen of this chapter.

(D) Authorization for automotive fire apparatus shall be designated by the fire chief in conformity with the NFPA 1901 Standard for Automotive Fire Apparatus as published by the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) on the eighteenth day of July, two thousand three, and adopted by the State Fire Commission by legislative rule (87 CSR 1, et seq.), except as follows:

(i) With the approval of the State Fire Marshal, used automotive fire apparatus may be conformed to the NFPA standard in effect on the date of its manufacture or conformed to a later NFPA standard; and

(ii) Automotive fire apparatus may be equipped with blinking or flashing headlamps.

(e) Notwithstanding the foregoing provisions of this section, any vehicle belonging to a county board of education, an organization receiving funding from the state or Federal Transit Administration for the purpose of providing general public transportation or hauling solid waste may be equipped with a white flashing strobotron warning light. This strobe light may be installed on the roof of a school bus, a public transportation vehicle or a vehicle hauling solid waste not to exceed one-third the body length forward from the rear of the roof edge. The light shall have a single clear lens emitting light three hundred sixty degrees around its vertical axis and may not extend above the roof more than six and one-half inches. A manual switch and a pilot light must be included to indicate the light is in operation.

(f) It is unlawful for flashing warning lights of an unauthorized color to be installed or used on a vehicle other than as specified in this section, except that a police vehicle may be equipped with either or both blue or red warning lights.
 

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Jesus! Anyone ever google this? However I think many people could benifit from other state info as well.
O Brother Where Art Thou reference

Ulysses Everett McGill: That's not the issue Delmar. Even if that did put you square with the Lord, the State of Mississippi's a little more hard-nosed.
 

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So I read Troops post twice and made mental note of my interpertations. Then had the wife read it, she got a completly differnt opinion then I did. So what do you guys take away from that?
 

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I think this is the most important part:

(a) Any lighted lamp or illuminating device upon a motor vehicle other than head lamps, spot lamps, auxiliary lamps or flashing front-direction signals which projects a beam of light of an intensity greater than three hundred candlepower shall be so directed that no part of the beam will strike the level of the roadway on which the vehicle stands at a distance of more than seventy-five feet from the vehicle.
(b) No person may drive or move any vehicle or equipment upon any highway with any lamp or device on the vehicle displaying other than a white or amber light visible from directly in front of the center of the vehicle except as authorized by subsection (d) of this section.

(c) Except as authorized in subsections (d) and (f) of this section and authorized in section nineteen of this article, flashing lights are prohibited on motor vehicles: Provided, That any vehicle as a means for indicating right or left turn or any vehicle as a means of indicating the same is disabled or otherwise stopped for an emergency may have blinking or flashing lights.

My interpretation is that you can have the lights as long as they are not more than 300 candlepower and project more than 75 ft. They cannot flash or strobe be red, blue or other colors mentioned in my previous post. (looks like an emergency vehicle to the public). As long as they are pointed at the ground you should be ok. But this is only my take and some of the wording makes it sound like you cannot use them. It will only be the interpretation of the judge that matters most !

I always hate the legal jargon that is used in the laws. Why cant they just say something like, "you are allowed to use non factory light on your vehicle as long as they are not brighter than 300 candlepower and project more than 75 feet from the vehicle, and do not flash or strobe while the vehicle is in motion.

You should call the WV State Police

Main information number
304-746-2100

Someone at this number should be able to direct you to a person in the legal department or traffic enforcement and get a correct answer
 

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Problem with that is, how do you measure candlepower when you're out working?
In Pa the lights are legal on bikes in motion (visibility safety factor) not legal on cars in motion. But I'm sure there are pages of jargon that will allow the authorities to twist it to how they see fit for any situation, at least it feels that way.
 

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My interpretation is that you can have the lights as long as they are not more than 300 candlepower and project more than 75 ft. They cannot flash or strobe be red, blue or other colors mentioned in my previous post. (looks like an emergency vehicle to the public). As long as they are pointed at the ground you should be ok. But this is only my take and some of the wording makes it sound like you cannot use them. It will only be the interpretation of the judge that matters most !

I always hate the legal jargon that is used in the laws. Why cant they just say something like, "you are allowed to use non factory light on your vehicle as long as they are not brighter than 300 candlepower and project more than 75 feet from the vehicle, and do not flash or strobe while the vehicle is in motion.

You should call the WV State Police

Main information number
304-746-2100

Someone at this number should be able to direct you to a person in the legal department or traffic enforcement and get a correct answer
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That was sorta my take on it. Guess I'm ok with drving around with non blinking green. I'll ask more questikns from the cop when he pulls me over :D
 

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almost every town / city / state has some form of a dazzle law. basically says you can have anything distracting. its one of those laws that lets them get you - like a loop hole. long and short of it is. if your not a dick chances are you wont get hassled. if you are, they will just add it to the list.

if its dark i ride with my blue leds on, never had a problem.
 

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almost every town / city / state has some form of a dazzle law. basically says you can have anything distracting. its one of those laws that lets them get you - like a loop hole. long and short of it is. if your not a dick chances are you wont get hassled. if you are, they will just add it to the list.

if its dark i ride with my blue leds on, never had a problem.
BINGO!!!
The catch-all law is called "Dazzling Display".
At last years Americade event in upstate New York we had 3 NY State Troopers and 2 local Sheriffs stop a group of us with our wheel lights...all at the same time I might add. All they wanted to do was ask how the hell it works. Spent a good 45 minutes BSing with them. General concesus from them was this: don't be a d!ck and all should be good. Best comment from trooper was if a cop gives you a hard time for no good reason, he was probably the kid who got picked on in school. I love that one.:D
But here's the hook; right or wrong is irrelevant. It's the process, time and expense of fighting a ticket.
I've been riding for 6 years lit up like a Christmas tree. Never got a ticket and it's well worth the safety factor of extra visibility.
 

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IDIOTS!

It's good to see that Australia isn't the only country in the world that has STUPID laws applying to motorbikes. The people who write these rules are IDIOTS and wouldn't have half a brain between them all.

Maybe we do have more LAUGHABLE laws than you do. No one here so far has mentioned that your turn signals need to be a MINIMUM size. Here they do! Who cares how bright they are and how far away they can be seen (although that is in the rules here as well)! It's the size that matters! Who gives a shit how big they are as long as they work! Obviously our rules were written before LED's and have never been amended! They (the rule makers) probably spent too much time playing with their dicks! Based on their thinking TV's and radios should still have tubes inside them and cars should still be fitted with klaxtons!

Just a pack of HALFWITS that don't know anthing about common sence, technology or the real world!


PS. If you're not sure how I really feel about these issues just ask me after I've had a couple of beers.
 

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I was told no rapid flashing, and not be forward facing, color did not matter, as long as your not being reckless. Start that and I would be pulled over to talk about lights, pipes, and a lot of other things.
 

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Not being a dick is just a good general rule dealing with cops. For the most part, thier just doing their job and not trying to stick it to you. For me I just wanted a clear understanding of the legality of it. I still plan to ride with them on regardless but would like to know ,in the event I get hasseled, if I have a leg to stand on or if I'm in the wrong. If they aren't legal then I'll pay the fine or whatever.

On the other hand, ran into a cop last night and ask him the question.....is it legal? His response: depends on the officer. What kind of BS answer is that, its either legal or it isn't. Thanks for the help.
 
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