[Hoseman581]

They are finally here for anyone who was interested in getting one. It's funny CruiserCustomizing.com states clearly it will not ship to a California address. I guess the people at the air resource board have put the fear into retailers selling these types of products. Here is the link:
Dynojet Research PowerCommander PCV - Honda Fury (09 and newer) - Not for use in California RTI03

 

[PREDATOR]

Doesn't stop a fellow Fury owner ordering one for a 'said' California resident and shipping it to them

 

[Hoseman581]

haha!! I'm sure a will call with one of my "other" address will suffice but good looking out!! That sounds like plan "B"!

 

[chopped]

The only problem is that there are no maps out for it. Was just on the power commander website and they don't have any maps out for the fury.

 

[Hoseman581]

Best thing to do is go get it truly dialed in once you get pipes and an air intake. Goto the authorized Dynojet shop and they will even let you know what kind of power your making. With all that, maybe low 60's hsp? It is a good investment for anyone who is going all out!

 

[PREDATOR]

Yeah, maybe get it tuned for a higher octane, squeeze out a little more power.

 

[TX Fury]

Newbie question

So is the power commander the better option than the Cobra Fi even if you have the Cobra pipes?

 

[Stonewheel]

The only problem is that there are no maps out for it. Was just on the power commander website and they don't have any maps out for the fury.

Unless I mis-read what was on the website they have map for stock pipes/intake, but I couldn't find any others. So I'm not sure how the thing works; is it no good for any other setup at this time?
Asked around here in Dayton; no one was even sure where a dyno-equipped facility was. I'm really anxious to get a fuel commander of one kind or another, but with cobra pipes and (probably) S&S intake, I'm not sure what will work and what won't. Was thinking of L&M's Fuggin' controller (their words, not mine , but their site says:

This fuel controller will not read how lean or rich your bike is (No Fuel Controller will) So if you have a different combination of air intake and Exhaust or would like to have your bike professionally tuned. We highly suggest you take your bike to be Dyno tested. Then they can read how lean your setup is, your new Fuggin Fuel Controller can add more fuel and your bike will be perfectly tuned for your bike and location.

I thought reading rich/lean was what these things *did*; apparently I've got a lot to learn about them lol. I'm confused [but why should now be any different?]

 

[Hoseman581]

if you go on dynojets website there will be a list of places that perform the dyno/tuning. The reason they don't have any other maps is that there really isn't a whole lot on the market. Cobra is probably the only major company to have an exhaust system. I don't know how interactive the other ignition/fuel systems are but that is the beauty of the dynojet. Where ever your at and get it dialed in, it will factor in the conditions that your ride in. So if you lived in Denver vs San Francisco there is going to be obvious differences in how you lean/rich you need your bike to run at. Alot of companies sell you a product that you set and forget it but that obvioulsy can't give you optimal performance because it's generic. I hope I'm answering your question clearly and not rambling to badly.

Here is some local places for you check out for Power Commander tuning and a link for all of ohio:

American Made Cycles
1325 E. Third St.
Dayton 45403
Tel: 937-224-1100
Website: american cycle made airline express at americanmadecycles.com
Tuning Center


F & S Motorcycle Sales Inc.
7220 North Dixie Drive
Dayton 45414
Tel: 937-898-8084
Website: Ohio Motorcycle Dealer - F & S Harley-Davidson
Email:[email protected]
FREE DYNORUN PARTICIPANT
Tuning Center

Lost redirect

hope that helps!

 

[bigmikey7351]

From what I understand of the fuel controllers is that none of them "know" how rich or lean the bike is (the factory ecu doesn't either), There is no O2 sensor (except maybe CA models).

The way most fuel controllers work is that they usually break the rpm(or throttle position - not sure) range into three categories low, mid and high. In these three categories you can turn a knob to increase fuel or decrease. You ride the bike and see how it feels. This is a very elementary way to adjust fuel and can keep from popping or keeping from way too lean or rich scenarios.

The power commander which I have had connects to a computer which allows you to access a table of rpm vs throttle position. This table is about 9 by 15 or so giving you a much more precise location to add or remove fuel. This can also be done by changing the table, riding and feeling (very time consuming and cumbersome though).

However the only way to maximize the benefits of either product is to shoot the exhaust past an O2 sensor so you can see the actual AFR and what your adjustments are doing.
Knob style fuel controllers can get you ridable very easily, you just won't be able to set peak performance fuel adjustments. Power commanders can let you tweak the adjustments to peak performance, just harder to be ridable with no map to start with or a dyno and O2.

Depends on what your looking for out of the product, something that gets the setup ridable or peak performance gain.

 

[Stonewheel]

Cool beans

Thx guys; good info. I'm looking into this more; depending on what I can get one for I may go with a power commander. From what I've found out making some calls locally it looks like the power commander has the capability for fine tuning well beyond what I would need for a cruiser-style bike, but that's not a bad thing. The one dyno-tuner locally I've gotten ahold of this morning has a "3-pull" run that they charge around $75 for, up to a full-out racing bike pull that runs around $300. My impression - although I need to check this out further - is that any of the fuel controllers, i.e., L&M's fuggin' controller, Cobra's Fi2000r, or the power commander will provide a decent adjustment for the kind of riding I do on a cruiser-style bike like the Fury. But since the fuggin' controller and the power commander are the only two I can actually buy *now*, it may come down to which of the two will work better - unless they do the same basic job for a non-racing type bike - and/or which is cheaper. But at least there's choices now; pretty sure I'll have one of these two purchased and installed pretty soon. I'll post an update tonight if I answer this question to my satisfaction and make a purchase later today, which I hope to do.

 

[Hoseman581]

Stonewheel, your absolutely right about it being hardcore. Being a former sportbike guy, the technology is well used in that market and embraced since seconds win races. Alot of the time guys will actually get better mpg after getting their bike "tuned" since it goes through the whole rpm range and dictates how much fuel the motor will get at given rpms. It has a cool factor and for most people it may be overkill. But for the guy who wants to know exactly what the motor is getting for power and economy its the icing on the cake!

 

[#86]

Don't forget about the Dobeck Techlusion tuner which is only about $180 and will do the same thing for the average rider and is pretty easy to adjust without a computer.

 

[chopped]

I was doing some reading on the Power Commander website. They have what they call an Autotune. The Autotune supplies you with an 02 sensor that you install in your exhaust. This allows the power commander to adjust the fuel as you put new things on the bike. Definitely cool, but costs another $249. Looks like I'm going to learn how to use an adjustable fuel controller by trial and error.

 

[Stonewheel]

I was doing some reading on the Power Commander website. They have what they call an Autotune. The Autotune supplies you with an 02 sensor that you install in your exhaust. This allows the power commander to adjust the fuel as you put new things on the bike. Definitely cool, but costs another $249. Looks like I'm going to learn how to use an adjustable fuel controller by trial and error.

I saw that autotuner; looks great, maybe a good future purchase if I get the power commander. I also thought the Power Commander LCD unit with the digital tach and information readouts looked pretty good; I'd love to have a tach. But I agree, for the $$ will have to be a possible future purchase(s) after some other stuff is taken care of.

 

[Stonewheel]

Don't forget about the Dobeck Techlusion tuner which is only about $180 and will do the same thing for the average rider and is pretty easy to adjust without a computer.

I'll have to check that out; not familiar with it but price is best of any of the units I've seen yet. Still deciding which unit I want, but it may come down to which I can get first.

 

[TX Fury]

Dyno Location

Anyone know where an official Dyno place is in Dallas area?