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Sometimes Engineering and Machine Shop Friends are Good to Have

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So my coworker and I are both engineers, truck and car enthusiasts, etc. Except he's got a mill and lathe in his garage and I don't.

Branching off from my other thread where I'm looking for that black shock clevis Honda refuses to sell separately, I have had ZERO luck finding one and you can't use the one off a sabre/stateline either because it's a different shape.

So in 5 minutes I reverse engineered the bracket and modeled it up in CAD for him but we obviously have to design a little bit differently because we don't have access to that exact M12x1.5 stud. So here's the idea we came up with:

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Obviously the smaller hole is for that anti rotation pin. That just punches out of the original clevis no problem. You can see the larger hole(s) one is a thru for the m12 stud and the larger counterbore is for the "head" of a stud. Now, he's just going to make a custom stud for me with a head that fits nicely in that counterbore. The stud will press fit into that thru hole (there will be an interference shoulder on the stud) so it won't rotate. But we're going to take it a step further to ensure that the stud stays where it needs to when torquing down.

Where the green circle is, and 180* from it on the other side, there will be a drill thru and tap (or the other option is just a drill thru all the way) for a threaded set screw. We'll drill so that the center of the small tapped hole sits right where the head of the stud meets the counterbore. This will essentially cause a "half circle" to be on each feature. Then we'll run a tap down through there (if we tap) and install a set screw in each location. Now the pressed in stud not only has the press fit but if for some reason that failed, it's locked into position.

If we don't (read: can't) tap that material, we'll just drill thru or blind depending on what we decide and press fit a pin in those locations. It will do the same thing for counter rotation.

The reason we might not be able to tap is this is some material scrap we got from work. It's 15-5 PH H1025 stainless steel. This stuff is very hard to machine, let alone tap with a small diameter tool. If you're wondering about material specs, it has an ultimate tensile strength of 206ksi (206,000 psi), which is about 3.5x the strength of mild steel which the OEM bracket is stamped/bent from. This thing is going to be STOUT.

In in finishing thoughts, Honda, get your S together. It's a bolt on part to a shock that should cost us $15 to buy. IIstead you're nice enough to "include" it with a new $700 shock.
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I got the bike on the ground today with the temporary fix. Since I had drilled out the ear of the clevis larger, I JB welded a washer with the correct thru hole size in place. It's enough to not allow the bolt to walk in the larger hole:

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The lady will be stoked to ride tomorrow when she gets back. She LOVES her new bike. I really did dig it too (a bit jealous) but nothing can top the Fury in my eyes.

I forgot how far the Fury leans over on the stock shock with a cut spring. I always slammed the bike low when it was parked:

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Buddy finished up the bracket this weekend, he ended up drilling and tapping the 3 small hole locations for set screws. This material is tough though so he couldn't tap all the way through without risking breaking the tap, but it's deep enough for the set screw to engage the length of the head.

He mentioned they're likely not even needed as the press fit pin was a pretty heavy interference. So the set screws are just N+1 type of thing. I'll pick it up tomorrow:

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I have to say, after riding around on a cut spring on the softest preload setting I can get with it, I'm really missing my air ride. Although it's been really nice not having to worry about my ride changing due to the faulty cylinder, was a fun weekend.

I might be saving up for the Arnott, but dang I really wish there were more Fury riders with it that could give a thorough review. Even the technical Q's I asked them when I called them, Arnott basically was no help. They didn't even say they'd gotten much feedback from any Fury riders as they do mostly Harley and Indian.
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I'm not sure what to do at this point. My luck with air ride cylinders have been garbage. I'm really interested in the Arnott Air ride system. It's an actual shock with valving vs just a cylinder with air in it. I found a place that has the kits on sale too so I reached out to see how much inventory they have.

I'm really tempted to grab one of these kits although if I do this time I might try to keep it simple with no additional cylinder as the "instant up".

Although, then I'm not sure how I would run train horns, so I might need that spare cylinder I previously had mounted. Really indecisive
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Some nice work machining the top bracket. I'm not into air ride suspension but the Arnott does sound as though it would be better.
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I can’t speak on the Arnott system for the fury BUT they are installed on the GL 450 I used to own and are in my ram rebel and no issues whatsoever with either so at least they make a quality product
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I can’t speak on the Arnott system for the fury BUT they are installed on the GL 450 I used to own and are in my ram rebel and no issues whatsoever with either so at least they make a quality product
Yeah. I think I'm going to have to do something. For me now, the cut OEM spring rate is now just too much for me after the coils are removed. I'm either gonna have to stick with the OEM shock and buy a low and mean spring or fork the cash out for an air ride.
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Yeah. I think I'm going to have to do something. For me now, the cut OEM spring rate is now just too much for me after the coils are removed. I'm either gonna have to stick with the OEM shock and buy a low and mean spring or fork the cash out for an air ride.
Dang, I just went on the website that had the Arnott kit for a good deal and they literally upped their price by $200 after I reached out to them yesterday by email to see how much stock they had. Tried to call them to see if they'd honor the price yesterday they had posted on their website but I'm guessing they changed it because I inquired about it. What a shady move. I'll have to see what they say

It's either that, or I spend a couple hundred bucks on the L&M lowering spring to bring a decent ride back to the bike lowered on the OEM shock...
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After your experience with Arnott changing the price the L&M spring is looking better every day. At least L&M have been pretty straight with forum members over the years.
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After your experience with Arnott changing the price the L&M spring is looking better every day. At least L&M have been pretty straight with forum members over the years.
I'm still going to give the company that was asking the kit a chance to honor the price that I saw if I hear back from them .. But if not ...

I'll post some new pics up tomorrow. New machined adapter is installed!

I'm a moron though and measured the pitch wrong... It's M12 x 1.25 (not M12 x 1.5 like I had my buddy make for the stud). Oh well just needed a different nut, no biggie.
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Dang, I just went on the website that had the Arnott kit for a good deal and they literally upped their price by $200 after I reached out to them yesterday by email to see how much stock they had. Tried to call them to see if they'd honor the price yesterday they had posted on their website but I'm guessing they changed it because I inquired about it. What a shady move. I'll have to see what they say

It's either that, or I spend a couple hundred bucks on the L&M lowering spring to bring a decent ride back to the bike lowered on the OEM shock...
They seem to offer a lot of different products, you probably don't want to take that personally; if they upped the price whenever someone inquired they'd be out of business pretty quickly due to insane prices. Maybe it was timing, things are ridiculously expensive due to policy change, like....food, clothing, electricity.
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A nice shot of this beauty before installed:

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Underside design:

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Looked nice installed:

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Whoops...buddy was .200" long on the thread. Interfered with the tank:

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Chopped it down to size and ran a die down the threads:

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So, what I found out, is M12 x 1.5 isn't very common. They don't have those Fuse Rashi spring loaded locking flange nuts like the OEM one (M12 x 1.25).

It's also rare to find ANY type of locking nut for M12 x 1.5 that has an integrated flange. But my Google Fu was strong yesterday and ended up finding a nyloc nut that Polaris uses on their suspension. M12 x 1.5 and has a nyloc insert and built in flange. For now though it's just a standard nyloc nut and washer that aren't one piece, but it'll do.

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Looks like a really good job. Gratz.
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So upon researching Arnott some more, looks like it will come down to about $1650 after taxes for their air ride kit with the digital readout up down switch that has the air pressure gauge integrated. They don't just let you upgrade from the current switch that comes with the kit, they make you buy another switch which alone is $330. So $1175+$330.

That's a hefty price to pay again for an air ride, but it's actually a shock and not just a canister, and it's much simpler (2 air lines total).

Question is it worth $1300 more than a true lowering spring which won't give me that much improvement of a ride over OEM or a cut OEM spring...
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Welp, got a bit boozy last night and ordered it. They didn't have the handlebar switch with the display so I didn't order that for now. I know I could put together my own system but I need to find a little digital readout that can read up to about 180 psi and I can 3D print a bracket for it
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I salute you sir! I was hoping you'd order it and see how good it is...and yours is an excellent reason to order one! :ROFLMAO:
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I salute you sir! I was hoping you'd order it and see how good it is...and yours is an excellent reason to order one! :ROFLMAO:
What's another 1600 in air ride parts...I kind of have the F*k it attitude right now when it comes to spending money
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You're definitely not married. 😎
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You're definitely not married. 😎
Nope, even if I was she knows better than to question any of my purchases. We keep our money separate.
Heck, she just bought herself a motorcycle and a 4runner (picked it up yesterday). Makes all my gun/ammo purchases and this air ride pale in comparison
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