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Clueless;

Have you as yet attached a tach to a Fury, for test or tuning purposes? Is there a tach-signal wire in there somewhere? Where does the ECM get its RPM Signal pulse from? I have a tachometer that I'd like to hook up, for diagnostic purposes, but I'm not sure where to get the tach signal from. Also, do you know, for certain, where (rpm) our Rev-Limiters kick in?

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100 MPH just isn't enough...

I'd like to know the answers to these questions too. I hit the wall at 100mph and it feels like she's got more just the rev limiter/governor is holding her back.

Is there a way to bypass this? I know it isn't meant for speed, but sometimes you just gotta do it you know? I'm not always on my Hayabusa when the urge hits me ;)
 

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I'd like to know the answers to these questions too. I hit the wall at 100mph and it feels like she's got more just the rev limiter/governor is holding her back.

Is there a way to bypass this? I know it isn't meant for speed, but sometimes you just gotta do it you know? I'm not always on my Hayabusa when the urge hits me ;)
Its a chopper, not a race bike... slow down, enjoy the ride... No, there is no computer override for the bike yet... There were some institutions working on it before, but we haven't heard back from them...
 

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Clueless;

Have you as yet attached a tach to a Fury, for test or tuning purposes? Is there a tach-signal wire in there somewhere? Where does the ECM get its RPM Signal pulse from? I have a tachometer that I'd like to hook up, for diagnostic purposes, but I'm not sure where to get the tach signal from. Also, do you know, for certain, where (rpm) our Rev-Limiters kick in?

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Very interested in everything just asked.
 

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Clueless;

Have you as yet attached a tach to a Fury, for test or tuning purposes? Is there a tach-signal wire in there somewhere? Where does the ECM get its RPM Signal pulse from? I have a tachometer that I'd like to hook up, for diagnostic purposes, but I'm not sure where to get the tach signal from. Also, do you know, for certain, where (rpm) our Rev-Limiters kick in?

Cheers
I hooked up the test set to mine when I had the cold idle problem, it gives rpm among other things. I think the ECM uses the CKP sensor for it's input (crankshaft position ) I am not sure about the rev limiter, I will check around at work and see if I can find out. 6300 rpm stick out to me, but that maybe the Goldwings. Not much help, but I will check around.
 

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I hooked up the test set to mine when I had the cold idle problem, it gives rpm among other things. I think the ECM uses the CKP sensor for it's input (crankshaft position ) I am not sure about the rev limiter, I will check around at work and see if I can find out. 6300 rpm stick out to me, but that maybe the Goldwings. Not much help, but I will check around.
Thanks, Clueless. Sounds like several of us are really interested in having some definitive answers to these questions. We'll anxiously await a report of your discoveries.

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The fury uses two ignition coils with the same primary wiring that has been in place for over 100 years. When the motor is running the coil is hot and switched with the ground lead which can also used as the signal for older tachometers. It ain't rocket surgery.

For test only purposes simply clamp an inductive pickup onto a secondary lead using a modern tach or timing light to get your RPM.

The Fury uses the CKP (crank angle) Sensor at the rear of the alternator to, among other things, supply engine speed to the ECM. It is not intended for tach input.

It would appear the fuel cut occurs at 5000 RPM since the dyno charts cut off there. Peak power occurs at 4200 RPM.
I've got an old, non-inductive, tachometer laying around the shop, and my timing light doesn't have a built-in tach. I THINK the Fury ignition operates in the "double-fire" mode (once every 360, instead of the more conventional 720) which means I'd need a divider for my tach. I think I need to order an inductively-coupled unit with a built-in divider, like a TINY-TACH for instance. The Honda Test Set that Clueless was referring to must be picking-up its tach signal off the crank angle sensor.

Also, I thought I remember seeing somewhere that the Fury hits peak torque at 3500. No?

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Maybe it's the radiation, but it seems clear that your intellect and/or experience is failing you miserably in this instance. Zero for Five :rolleyes:.
Getting a little hostile there Gar ole buddy?

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Maybe Clueless can correct me if I'm not entirely right... The Power Commander, when hooked up to the bike, registers rpm for diagnostics. I was playing with it a little after I installed mine. Seems to be pretty dead on.

And why do you want to go that fast on any cruiser? Enjoy the ride and go slow enough to piss off the cagers. Carry some pennies for the tailgaters. Always good for a laugh.
 

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Getting a little hostile there Gar ole buddy?

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Just a little Fred. It kinda wears me down when you frequently follow my posts with an unsupported argument ;). I can back up everything I post as 'fact' with legitimate references rather than 'intellect and/or experience' and I would think you know that considering the eMails and phone conversations we have had, not forgetting my track record on this forum. There is no question that your intellect and experience related to our topics of discussion go beyond the average poster, at times, to the point where you talk over our heads, a tactic often used to baffle and subdue the common man. As with Chinese water torture your approach paves the way to discontent :(.

I confess that I did take a shot at you with my first post on this thread. You profess to be an expert in so many areas that I was surprised you stumbled on 100 year old technology as shown in the shop manual. Nonetheless, considering past threads, you initiated the challenge.
 

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Ok Gar, I had to bite my tongue long and hard before responding, but that’s it; you and I will have no further exchanges, since you seem hell-bent on creating a censoring, denigrating, and hostile environment/situation. I didn’t join this forum to get into a pissing contest with you or anyone else, especially someone who doesn’t even own a Fury.

Might I suggest that you go buy a Fury, along with some pipes, a fuel controller, an after-market air intake, and some other goodies, then climb down into the arena here with the rest of us and start getting some real-world, hands-on experience with the problems many of us are having. Then you can comment from a position of first-hand experience, instead of pontificating abstractly from the sidelines.

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BarFury, your eloquence is duly noted.

Ok Gar, ... you and I will have no further exchanges, since you seem hell-bent on creating a censoring, denigrating, and hostile environment/situation.
Oddly enough, I feel the same way about you Fred, so who is right ? And thank you for offering to have no further exchanges.


I didn’t join this forum to get into a pissing contest with you or anyone else,
Fred, when you first came to this forum I thought you were a smart ass, a shit disturber and a man of intelligence, often to good effect. You still display these traits although not necessarily simultaneously.
When anyone posts information that is not correct as you occasionally do and I have the references to clarify I do so if I think it will be helpful. Then I leave the room to take a piss.
especially someone who doesn’t even own a Fury.
The information I have submitted is not dependant on possession of a Fury and you know this. You are now excused to take your piss.

Might I suggest that you go buy a Fury, along with some pipes, a fuel controller, an after-market air intake, and some other goodies, then climb down into the arena here with the rest of us and start getting some real-world, hands-on experience with the problems many of us are having.
Regarding your suggestion, you need to keep up Fred. My ABS Fury is on order (and you should know this considering our past and info here on the Forum). I will be changing exhaust, intake and adding a fuel controller as you suggest but you already know this from our past conversations and posts so it would appear that your are pissing for the audience.
Then you can comment from a position of first-hand experience, instead of pontificating abstractly from the sidelines.
I disagree with your accusation of abstract pontification (excuse me while I bow to the Master) and understand that I have offended you as you have me. Nonetheless, it's a cheap shot on your part without presenting evidence (so I return the favor).

Be the bigger man Fred and own up to your own indiscretions if you want to avoid my condescension.
Cheers Fred.
 

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Hey Guys, interesting read and all. I don't know about others on here, but I'm always interested in the truth. If either of you can provide it, then I sure would want you to do so. I don't know much about engines and efi and such....so any truthful info provided is sure welcomed. Gotta admit, your "discussions" are entertaining though.......
 

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Hey Guys, interesting read and all. I don't know about others on here, but I'm always interested in the truth. If either of you can provide it, then I sure would want you to do so. I don't know much about engines and efi and such....so any truthful info provided is sure welcomed. Gotta admit, your "discussions" are entertaining though.......
lol.. I agree. We need this entertainment from time to time. :D I also agree that those of us who don't really know shit are hoping to get some accurate technical information so we don't screw up our bikes and waste a bunch of money. If there has to be some "heated discussion", or even a fist fight to provide this, then so be it. :D

Thanks for your help. ;)
 

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lol.. I agree. We need this entertainment from time to time. :D I also agree that those of us who don't really know shit are hoping to get some accurate technical information so we don't screw up our bikes and waste a bunch of money. If there has to be some "heated discussion", or even a fist fight to provide this, then so be it. :D

Thanks for your help. ;)
Most of it is fairly close, if it seems questionable then just sit back or ask if anyone else did it


Just realised im at 666 for my posts.... im gonna let it sit for a while so i can be EVIL
 
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