thanks Tony,i did get on that site,not really a buy it now friendly site.i found one of their dealers to buy it thru, just as soon wait and buy it direct on the phone thru fuggin. i thought i had seen the price as $199. is this correct?
Will someone explain to me how the Fuggin fuel controller is superior to the Fi2000r, or vica-versa (SP?). I'm interested in a qualitative technical response only, no allegorical b/s, please (i.e, my friend's buddy's uncle's cousin had XYZ EFI and it got his girlfriend off and changed the phase of the moon, etc.) LOL. Just the objective technical facts man, just the documented facts. Also, not interested in hearing about the PC-5/Auto-Tune; too much hassle.
To answer your question which one is better?
Without an independent study conducted I don't think that can be answered.
CobraUSA recommends the Fi2000 with their pipes.
Some people went with the Power Commander V since it has configurable maps.
Fuggin Fabrication developed their controller and Dyno their pipes and air cleaner setup
The next variation is the Auto-Tune controller when coupled with a O2 sensor is suppose to compensate the fuel mixture.
All in all, everyone one of these products adjusts the amount of fuel sent to the engine by changing the output to the fuel injectors.
Stick a nice big air cleaner on the Fury that sucks lots of air in and you will get more air than fuel. It will run hotter since it is now getting more air than fuel.
The programmed (PGM-FI) with automatic enricher circuit with a 38mm throttle body is programmed to work with the factory air cleaner and not the aftermarket one.
With a factory program set to support the three-dimensional mapping with two spark plugs per cylinder.
(My understanding of the 3 dimensions are throttle position, gear position, and timing. I may be wrong but I couldn't find a clear explanation other than it's marketed on every Honda product including watercraft.)
The aftermarket Electronic Fuel Controller units basically intercept the normal fuel injector signals and apply their settings instead of the factory.
So which one is better?
I think all accomplish the same result with some having more programmable flexibility.
Good explanation on the choices of fuel controllers. I just wanted add that the Fuggin EFI fuel controller is fully adjustable without having to load maps or hook-up to a computer. We pre-program the fuel controller based on our testing using our pipes. But many have used our controller with other manufactures pipes with excellent results. Making adjustments to our controller are done by a sample push of a button, no other tools are required.
If you have any question at all regarding our Fuggin EFI Fuel Controller, Please feel free to contact me.
I bought Fuggin controller for plug and play. Easy to install and already programmed. I later put bike on dyno to fine tune ( V&H Cruzers for VTX1300 with baffle in, L&M intake with spike filter ). I was happy to find out that Fuggin controller was almost perfect for my set up. It took only 2 very minor changes to get the best results.
Thank you for your prompt and well-reasoned response.
Without seeing charts/tables comparing the mappable ranges of the two units relative to the baseline Honda map, its hard to make a qualitative assessment. Any fuel controller worth having should be capable of dialing in the proper mix for any number of pipe and intake combinations. Concerning the two that I asked about, the only significant (insignificant?) difference seems to be that one requires a screwdriver and the other doesn't.
By-the-way, anyone on this forum who seriously believes that simply changing an exhaust system can't radically alter your fuel mix has never slapped on a set of well-tuned reverse-lip megaphones; without massive re-jetting, you'll go instantly and fatally lean! The scavanging effect is so pronounced, you could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch ball! And you won't believe the tickets you can get with those things-LOL.