[sincitychoppa]

I am getting a cobra exhaust system and I know they make a unit, but I have no experience with them. I have used dynojet on many other bikes and they have seemed to work well.
Is there any reason to go with one vs. the other. I kinda like keeping the brand if possible, but if someone makes something better than the system cobra uses I would prefer to use it.

 

[Sea Dawg]

OH lord here we go again...LOL....... It really comes down to personal preferance I think......

 

[imwright1985]

OH lord here we go again...LOL....... It really comes down to personal preferance I think......

+1 for seadawg

It is personal preferance, Doebeck, fuggin and cobra are all based on a similar concept of DIY ease

Dynojet has a little more percision but takes a dyno or alot of patience and knowledge, and you can add accessories like the quickshift (ignition cutout), or autotune (allowing it to monitor AFR making it more like a car EFI)

 

[CoolTrukka]

I am getting a cobra exhaust system and I know they make a unit, but I have no experience with them. I have used dynojet on many other bikes and they have seemed to work well.
Is there any reason to go with one vs. the other. I kinda like keeping the brand if possible, but if someone makes something better than the system cobra uses I would prefer to use it.

I'm gonna agree with these other guys. It comes down to what YOU feel is best. They all do the job and can have a margin of error if tuned incorrectly.

I have the Power Commander because I have used them before on other bikes and my philosophy is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." From what everyone has come up with here, I could have saved some bucks and gotten the same result from the other available options as well.

You're call, the general consensus seems to be that there is no "best" for this option. They all work equally well.

Try searching through the forums. There is a butt load of information and opinions on what's available.

 

[695]

+1 What they said..

 

[Dave Maher]

+1 What they said..

(Ditto same here)

 

[Easy E]

I am getting a cobra exhaust system and I know they make a unit, but I have no experience with them. I have used dynojet on many other bikes and they have seemed to work well.
Is there any reason to go with one vs. the other. I kinda like keeping the brand if possible, but if someone makes something better than the system cobra uses I would prefer to use it.

Dude i was just in your shoes a week ago. So i'll speak from my account. I have cobra pipes and the Dyno Jet Power Programmer V. I simply used my laptop, loaded the CD provided with the kit and chose the already pre-programmed MAP setting from Dyno Jet for '2010 Fury with stock airfilter and cobra pipes'. I sent it to the programmer using the USB cord that was provided and my bike runs great, no back firing, but a nice rumble when down shifting. She idles once warmed at a steady 940-950 and i have had no issues whats so ever.

If you want, you can PM me and I will be more than happy to send you addtitional pics of the install and/or talk you through the install. The feeding off the TPS sensor can seem overwhelming, but is supper easy!

Plus about the V is that as you add more power adders you can then take it to a dyno center and modify your fury for a smooth running machine.

Just my two cents...

 

[Snuffdog76]

personal pref

 

[T-Mod]

Its just like asking who makes the best car….. At one time people would say Toyota…… not any more….LOL

 

[sincitychoppa]

Dude i was just in your shoes a week ago. So i'll speak from my account. I have cobra pipes and the Dyno Jet Power Programmer V. I simply used my laptop, loaded the CD provided with the kit and chose the already pre-programmed MAP setting from Dyno Jet for '2010 Fury with stock airfilter and cobra pipes'. I sent it to the programmer using the USB cord that was provided and my bike runs great, no back firing, but a nice rumble when down shifting. She idles once warmed at a steady 940-950 and i have had no issues whats so ever.

If you want, you can PM me and I will be more than happy to send you addtitional pics of the install and/or talk you through the install. The feeding off the TPS sensor can seem overwhelming, but is supper easy!

Plus about the V is that as you add more power adders you can then take it to a dyno center and modify your fury for a smooth running machine.

Just my two cents...

Thanks man for the help. Are they all "PLUG N PLAY" or do you have to do wire splicing on some/all of them? I am not real amenable to cutting wires, but if it is plug n play I am game.
I have used power commanders in a couple previous CBRs and they worked well, not worth the money because I got raped for them, but they still worked well.
The 2 I would consider are Cobra or Power Commander. Has the Cobra been known to have any issues or problems, I just want my bike to gain a little, stay smooth and not back fire.

 

[Sea Dawg]

like i said oh lord.........

 

[BarFury]

Like Sea Dawg said, "Oh Lord, here we go again". Or that old song song verse, "If you can't help me Lord, don't help that grizzly bear". LOL.

Cheers

 

[imwright1985]

Ryan, when you are finished with your mechanical engineering degree please enroll on an advanced automotive technology program. You are still getting your 'facts' wrong.

The Quick Shifter uses fuel cut to assist shifting and the AutoTune for motorcycles operates completely differently than on an OBD I or II automobile. AutoTune uses a wideband O2 sensor to monitor correction of the full range AFR where as OBD (car EFI) does not use the O2 sensor to monitor AFR in acceleration, power or deceleration modes.

Ok Dynojets site says "by momentarily cutting Fuel and or Ignition", I have only dealt with ones that cut ignition so That was a lapse on my experience.

Also what do the O2 sensors just behind the exhaust manifold monitor? It still closes the ECU loop for the fuel system, the difference between Std O2 and Wideband are Wideband monitors the AFR actively where the regular pretty much just says its lean or rich and when under heavy load the regular EFI with standard o2's quits reading and enters a mode where it burns slightly rich to act as a safety buffer to prevent running lean causing detonation.

Is that a better breakdown of it for you? I think i got it correct there since you want to split technical hairs you can feel free to correct me on it (except for the Quick shift since Dynojets site proved both of us being slightly off)

Ohh BTW i have seen a couple VW's and Audi's with widebands stock, And I think the newer honda's all use NGK widebands

 

[Sea Dawg]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........................

 

[imwright1985]

Thanks man for the help. Are they all "PLUG N PLAY" or do you have to do wire splicing on some/all of them? I am not real amenable to cutting wires, but if it is plug n play I am game.
I have used power commanders in a couple previous CBRs and they worked well, not worth the money because I got raped for them, but they still worked well.
The 2 I would consider are Cobra or Power Commander. Has the Cobra been known to have any issues or problems, I just want my bike to gain a little, stay smooth and not back fire.

Easiest way to install is pull the air intake off, your injectors are right there. I mounted the module like the Dynojet instructions say. Pop the Back head covers off and fish wires through. Unplug the injectors and plug the leads in for the FMU, then plug the OEM injector leads in (ammounts to a plug in splice) the only thing that is kind of nerve racking is tapping the TPS wire, but there are directions for that and the leads for the TPS are right on the throttle body just look for the color wire they say in the directions (that is the only wire you have to actually tap but they give you a screw on connector that provides a nice easy tap). After that its hook the ground up and check everything to see that it powers up and put everything back together

 

[sincitychoppa]

Since you are already familliar with PC I will mention what I have researched on the load based fuel controllers (as opposed to the throttle based PCV).

Unlike young Ryan here I have no experience with fuel controllers but I am told by other members that the Fuggin Fuel Controller and Fi2000R are easy to operate and install. They are the least intrusive to your electrical system because they only connect to ground and in series with your fuel injector connectors, therefore no cutting into your wire harness for a throttle signal. As close to plug and play as you can get.

As you probably know there still remains the setup for the amount of fuel adjustment you desire although the Fuggin and the Fi2000R appear to be relatively simple to adjust in the field without external connections to a computer.

There is also the Dobeck Gen II Fuel Controller which is very similar to the Cobra Fi2000R (R stands for harness connectors for simpler installation). Dobeck makes a Gen III model exclusively for Fuggin. The Gen III (Fuggin) has 6 parameter adjustments for finer tuning rather than 3 adjustments on the Fi2000R and Dobeck Gen II.

Hope this clarifies a little .

Dude, my main concern is that it installs cleanly (Plug n play) and that it is reliable and wont cause any problems. I know this bike is no performance beast, I just want to reliably maximize its power and smoothen out its power band. As long as it meets these criteria I am good to go. It sounds like the Cobra is my best bet and that is what I was hoping I would gather.

Thanks.

 

[imwright1985]

Dude, my main concern is that it installs cleanly (Plug n play) and that it is reliable and wont cause any problems. I know this bike is no performance beast, I just want to reliably maximize its power and smoothen out its power band. As long as it meets these criteria I am good to go. It sounds like the Cobra is my best bet and that is what I was hoping I would gather.

Thanks.

to give you an idea of install

DynoJet http://www.powercommander.com/downloads/16-014/install/pcv/eng16-014.pdf

Just skip removing seat and tank (unless you want to ground to ground bolt under seat then just skip tank)

cobra http://www.fi2000r.com/files/pdf/51_92-1633.pdf

Doebeck: No install info but should be similar to Cobra just different operation EFI - Electronic Fuel Injection Controllers - ATVs, UTVs, Motorcycles, Snowmobiles, Scooters, Sport Bikes, Watercraft

fuggin is less info then doebeck, but supposidly extremely similar

 

[imwright1985]

I can see you are trying to get you info sorted out but as a former automotive instructor, Interprovincial Licensed Mechanic, ASE Master Certified Technician, automotive manufacturer technical course developer and field technical support engineer, can you imagine how I might have difficulty with some of your explanations ?

Yeah i understand it, Your looking at a very Technical approach when i tried dumbing it down alot and I'm also not preparing an official report for a project, so I cut stuff out not really meaning any harm with it trying to just get the basic principal that the autotune helps sustain your tune for changes in atmosphere and minor performance changes. Honda and Volkswagen are moving more towards wideband systems and other MFG's will likely follow suit to help boost performance/efficiency standards in the near future so give it about 4 years and every vehicle will likely be running wideband systems.

I realise your certifications, but you dont seem to think of the fact i have been on 3 FSAE teams (having built 2 cantilever suspensions) with one of our members now working for nelson. Also that i have worked in a shop so I have dealt with a good amount of stuff from GNX's, 300zx's, a Skyline, 2 lamborghini gaillardo's, a ton of Mustangs, 'vettes, AC Cobra Kit, 65 chevelle, S10 Dragtruck with a 383 and complete back half of the chassis. To you it seems im just a punk kid.

 

[sincitychoppa]

to give you an idea of install

DynoJet http://www.powercommander.com/downloads/16-014/install/pcv/eng16-014.pdf

Just skip removing seat and tank (unless you want to ground to ground bolt under seat then just skip tank)

cobra http://www.fi2000r.com/files/pdf/51_92-1633.pdf

Doebeck: No install info but should be similar to Cobra just different operation EFI - Electronic Fuel Injection Controllers - ATVs, UTVs, Motorcycles, Snowmobiles, Scooters, Sport Bikes, Watercraft

fuggin is less info then doebeck, but supposidly extremely similar

Thanks, I think the cobra looks like it is totally plug n play and semi easy to tune. That looks like the tickets.

 

[Sea Dawg]

my bike will sputter a little until it is fully warmed up but after it runs great. (Default settings from Cobra)
Cobra Sweeps, Cobra Fuel, D&M Spike, Acutronix adapter