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Why replacing the headlight bulb with an LED, or HID is a bad idea.

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I hope the explanation below helps! If the light source(H4) is replaced by something else(HID,LED,B-Xenon HID) out of the precise focal point of the parabola reflector will hardly work efficient.
The problem with LEDs is that they typically have multiple light sources and multiple reflectors. The highest performance comes from a single light source in the precise focus of the reflector. High beam H4 has a single filament at the exact focus of the parabolic reflector:
Low beam H4 uses the internal light shield, and the filament is forward of the reflector focus:
Once you understand HOW THEY WORK, you understand why H4 E-code reflectors (which have been steadily improved since the 1970's) outperform more efficient light sources like LEDs or HIDs. You can immediately see why anything other than an H4 bulb is a bad idea. See video below!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zRlklsD4mI
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Just this morning I was watching a vid/spot posted by Today talking about headlights and blinding oncoming drivers. The first of two major points they emphasized was color of the LEDs being more blue. I think we all agree that 4300K is ideal (most usable white light), and anything above 5500K is ridiculous.. The other topic they spoke about was general headlight aiming.. I was surprised that very few states actually include headlight aiming in their state safety inspections. I know here in TX, it's not part of inspection... (I wish it was)

Here our #1 issue is poorly aimed headlights, followed up with ppl driving with brights on all the time.. Some are [administratively removed] to know they're doing it, others do it because their low beams are poorly aimed or so cloudy that total light output is very poor..
In one of these threads, I don't know if it is this one or not, I posted that. 4300K is the best for the human eye to utilize. 4300k is about what the old original car lights looked like



I am running 5000K HID's in my truck. Now I am wondering what the Daymaker is? Huh, I'll have to look.

This is one of those topics, much like the famous 'which oil is best?' that get endlessly argued.

I know of people who got defect notices for their headlights not being aimed correctly but that was back in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Seems to have fallen off the radar these days. My wife and I avoid driving/riding at night because we find it harder to see at night due to our age and a lot of over the top LED headlights don't make it any easier for people over 50. It's not just us, our friends are all saying the same thing. I guess it will take a few bad crashes and coverage on the 6 O'clock news before anyone takes it seriously.
I know that this shit bothers me more and more. One of the concepts that I like is the compound LED lighting. Each 'headlight' on a car would be comprised of multiple LEDs, and individually controlled and dimmed based on oncoming traffic. That way you can cut down on glare at a driver, but still throw light where it might be useful. It's early in the morning and I didn't find any info with a basic google, but I though some companies were working on this.
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I know of people who got defect notices for their headlights not being aimed correctly but that was back in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Seems to have fallen off the radar these days. My wife and I avoid driving/riding at night because we find it harder to see at night due to our age and a lot of over the top LED headlights don't make it any easier for people over 50. It's not just us, our friends are all saying the same thing. I guess it will take a few bad crashes and coverage on the 6 O'clock news before anyone takes it seriously.
I of course had excellent night vision when I was younger, (and when headlights were "normal"). Now however, depending on the lights of the oncoming driver, I actually have to almost come to a stop on the highway sometimes because I just can't see the road. That's unacceptable.
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When I installed my LED’s in the ram I made a special point of positioning the truck on a level surface and put the wife’s Audi a car length in front to make sure my low beams weren’t destroying the person in front of me, high beams are another story….
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When I installed my LED’s in the ram I made a special point of positioning the truck on a level surface and put the wife’s Audi a car length in front to make sure my low beams weren’t destroying the person in front of me, high beams are another story….
High beams are anything goes as long as you go dim for the oncoming. High beams can be like light sabers that cut deer in half when they run out in front of you.
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I of course had excellent night vision when I was younger, (and when headlights were "normal"). Now however, depending on the lights of the oncoming driver, I actually have to almost come to a stop on the highway sometimes because I just can't see the road. That's unacceptable.
Yes it is. If the car manufacturers have to comply with a law in order to sell their cars they will spend the money and get the engineers to design a combination of LEDS and housings that do not cause a problem. Meanwhile we have to contend with the aftermarket swap in replacement for the old halogen lamps.
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I'm with Goat on this, mfg either design led's on newer vehicles to just pass or the assembly line workers don't give a sh1t as most are blinding. Especially the DRL's on this F#_>:=< thing. :mad:
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I'm with Goat on this, mfg either design led's on newer vehicles to just pass or the assembly line workers don't give a sh1t as most are blinding. Especially the DRL's on this F#_>:=< thing. :mad:
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The difference between OEM LEDs and the ones the walnuts slap in their halogen housings is that the reflector and the LED are engineered for each other. Which means it will cast even, cutoff light. But you replace anything with non OEM then all bets are out the window. At this point, an LED bulb has to be used with a housing designed for it.
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Not disagreeing with you krash, just saying I encounter newer vehicles (mostly cuv/suv and trucks) that the factory lights are not setup correctly. Now the drl's on the f350 sd, they need to be banned. Those F%^&%$/_ things are brighter then high noon on a cloud less day in the middle of summer after 10 hr's in a dark room.
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In one of these threads, I don't know if it is this one or not, I posted that. 4300K is the best for the human eye to utilize. 4300k is about what the old original car lights looked like



I am running 5000K HID's in my truck. Now I am wondering what the Daymaker is? Huh, I'll have to look.

This is one of those topics, much like the famous 'which oil is best?' that get endlessly argued.



I know that this shit bothers me more and more. One of the concepts that I like is the compound LED lighting. Each 'headlight' on a car would be comprised of multiple LEDs, and individually controlled and dimmed based on oncoming traffic. That way you can cut down on glare at a driver, but still throw light where it might be useful. It's early in the morning and I didn't find any info with a basic google, but I though some companies were working on this.
Yep, numerous studies have shown 4300K puts out the most usable white light for the human eye.. perhaps the argument could be made that our species is evolving, but I doubt it ;) 5000K is about where I personally prefer the light spectrum of my headlights. Have owned vehicles that come with 5500K from the factory all the way down to sealed beam bulbs that might have graced 4300K on a good day... it's a small difference between 4300K and 5000K, but the 5000K is more of an all-rounder for my typical driving conditions. I've found that 5500K will highlight animal eyes at night significantly brighter than 5000K beams do, so in a state where the speed limits are 75mph (or higher) and there are huge stretches of straight road with wildlife on the shoulders ready to leap in front of you, I'd lean more towards the 5000K beams over 4300K. My own personal experience is that 5000K bulb light up a bit more of the road that I can see vs. a 4300K bulb in the typical environment I drive. Best of both worlds IMO... but that is strictly IMO and in the environment that I typically drive/ride.

I hear you on misalignment. #1 lighting infraction across all of the USA if you ask me. Probably twice as prevalent as voting incorrectly🤣. More WLF's out there that can't tell when they have incorrectly aimed beams or are running with their high beams on in town. As I get older, it pisses me off more and more. Next week I'll probably be sitting on the porch with a loaded Mossberg, hollering at kids to get off my lawn and turn their high beams off! ;) I'm already pissed at the kid a few doors down with the crotch rocket that fires up @ 7am, and rides out of the neighborhood without shifting (1st gear to 10k RPM). Maybe Tuesday morning I'll be at his driveway on the Fury with a shotgun and teach the prat how to short shift... :)

Not disagreeing with you krash, just saying I encounter newer vehicles (mostly cuv/suv and trucks) that the factory lights are not setup correctly. Now the drl's on the f350 sd, they need to be banned. Those F%^&%$/_ things are brighter then high noon on a cloud less day in the middle of summer after 10 hr's in a dark room.
Those are just poorly aimed.. and if they can't be aimed, then yes, they are terribly designed... Ford IMO has really effed themselves recently
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Not disagreeing with you krash, just saying I encounter newer vehicles (mostly cuv/suv and trucks) that the factory lights are not setup correctly. Now the drl's on the f350 sd, they need to be banned. Those F%^&%$/_ things are brighter then high noon on a cloud less day in the middle of summer after 10 hr's in a dark room.
I'm with you on this...completely. f'n Ford...
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Diddo on the ford, F those second headlights!
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Ford: Same here, the sun was up and yet it was blinding on the freeway this morning IN THE MIRRORS! They have to be doing something wrong for a Ford F150 that's behind you on a sunny day to be blinding.
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