Depends on the pipes. Try it and see. If not as good switch back to stock until you have the bucks .

Cobra PowrPro is your best bet and, believe it or not, cheapest in the long run .

 

Why cheapest in the long run? What's wrong with the regular Fi2000?
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I have to rely on the recommendation of Honda and they say the Power Commander 5 from DynoJet is self adjusting and the best on the market that's why I bought it . Don't you have to set different maps on the Cobra, like 1221 or something like that ?


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I have to rely on the recommendation of Honda and they say the Power Commander 5 from DynoJet is self adjusting and the best on the market that's why I bought it . Don't you have to set different maps on the Cobra, like 1221 or something like that ?

The PCV with AutoTune is self adjusting to the user calibrated map. Bad map = bad ride.
PowrPro is plug & play and is truly self adjusting with no user interaction. Probably wasn't on the market at the time of your recommendation from "Honda" although I doubt whether Honda, the manufacturer, would ever recommend such a modification.

 

Feel free to flame away at me but ... The Fury has a 3D fuel/air map in its memory and should compensate for any change done to the bike (if the co-op programmers were smart enough to build in headroom for whatever came the bike's way). Therefore, I am of the opinion that you can save your money and not buy an external fuel programmer.

 

That's the rub isn't it? A number of respected members have the same thought.
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Power commander is by far the best way to go, if you are looking for all out performance the PCV is the way, The autotune on the dynojet actually uses a 5 wire O2 sensor to actually read the mixture. this is one of two ways to properly tune an engine and is the best. The other method would to teach yourself to read plugs. The power pro plus attempts to tune using an accelerometer. I find that to be a good guess at best. I don't see how it could effectively tune at steady state cruise. Even if you don't want to invest in the dynojet autotune feature, you can find someone with the same bike using autotune and use their map and it'd be close for you.
Just my 2 cents.
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The consensus is that just changing your pipes does not require a FC, when you get into changing the air intake is when you're most likely going to need it, I know of at least one person that's running without one, and my feeling is the bike will probably run ok without one, but to maximize power and fuel efficiency my belief is that you need one.

Now to say if the PC5 is best or the Cobra PP is I'm not sure, but I would think that your going to get the best bang for your buck with the Cobra since it's self adjusting and won't require you to get dyno tuned, these are just my opinions from reading and using the Cobra Fi2000, like everything else we all have opinions so you just have to do your research and figure out what's best for you and what fits your budget.

 

Thanks for the replies! After hearing what everyone said I will def need to do some research! The PCV sounds like the best option but will need to decide if the coast of getting it tuned is worth it or should I just go with the cobra that I don't have to tune!

 

I've been on this forum almost 3 years now and we've been down this road before but if you newer folks feel the need to reinvent the wheel, well go ahead and knock yourselves out .

One thing is clear, you haven't done your homework. All the smarts and theory will not replace the experience of those that have gone before you.

 

I've been on this forum almost 3 years now and we've been down this road before but if you newer folks feel the need to reinvent the wheel, well go ahead and knock yourselves out .

One thing is clear, you haven't done your homework. All the smarts and theory will not replace the experience of those that have gone before you.

I agree, but I also read once that if we ignored all the post from duplicated topics, we would become more of a silent library more than a community family and the forum would probably die.

 

Last time I checked, PC was the only one who was coming out with a controller that removed the stock speed governor correct?

 

I understand the skepticism about this great unit, but been one of the first one to purchase it for the fury and experience what it is capable of doing without expending extra money on guessing on dyno maps and settings, all I can say is that Cobra has created the best plug and play system for people that want to mod their bikes and ride trouble free.

 

Unless a fuel computer is interfaced with real time data with The stock ECM it has no way to alter the fuel table. The cobra just connects to the injectors how does it read the ECM data to make a change at the injector?
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Unless a fuel computer is interfaced with real time data with The stock ECM it has no way to alter the fuel table. The cobra just connects to the injectors how does it read the ECM data to make a change at the injector?

Stock ECM makes the readings, including crankshaft speed, and times the injection pulses accordingly. The very small time variance between injection pulses is read by the PowrPro as rate of acceleration to determine the effectiveness of it's pulse width adjustments and it is all done at 80 times per second . Instead of working to a user set fixed map, the PowrPro is continually making slight adjustments to each power stroke, rich and lean, to achieve the highest rate of acceleration between power strokes and in essence "dyno tuning" under actual riding conditions. No other MC fuel controller does this.

 

As I have stated before the stock Fury fuel curve is pretty damn good, even with a set of pipes the AFR is NOT out in left field so you could get away with not doing anything else in most cases. I will put any fuel controller out there up against the new PCV and will guarantee we can make more power, no hype here, just fact. Alot of power is left on the table without adjusting the timing, I have posted graphs on this forum already if you would like to search. And if the speed limiter is an issue, there is nothing else out there that I am aware of.

Has anyone else seen one of these other controllers actually function on a dyno? My guess is NO. Because the ones we have tested simply don't work. The AFR is extremely inconsistent. How does it work in steady state throttle? How does it know if you are going up or down a hill or have moved the throttle? it doesn't and therefore gets very lost. I know I am biased but just don't believe everything you read, including what I just posted. Do your homework and hopefully you will choose the best unit that fits your needs.

 

As I have stated before the stock Fury fuel curve is pretty damn good, even with a set of pipes the AFR is NOT out in left field so you could get away with not doing anything else in most cases. I will put any fuel controller out there up against the new PCV and will guarantee we can make more power, no hype here, just fact. Alot of power is left on the table without adjusting the timing, I have posted graphs on this forum already if you would like to search. And if the speed limiter is an issue, there is nothing else out there that I am aware of.

This is the difference between riding and racing. The power gain is above 4300 RPM. If you want bang for your buck you need to see improvement below 4300 RPM where at least 90% of your riding is done .

Has anyone else seen one of these other controllers actually function on a dyno? My guess is NO. Because the ones we have tested simply don't work.

Sorry, but there are dozens of very satisfied users of the PowrPro reporting on various forums who strongly disagree with you .

The AFR is extremely inconsistent. How does it work in steady state throttle? How does it know if you are going up or down a hill or have moved the throttle? it doesn't and therefore gets very lost.

I trust you believe what you have written here but my formal FI training and professional experience says it just ain't so .

I know I am biased but just don't believe everything you read, including what I just posted. Do your homework and hopefully you will choose the best unit that fits your needs.

A very fair statement indeed .

 

I saw my bike on the Dyno when Dreyer installed the PC5 & have the print out of before and after. The dealer said they stand by the PC5 as being the best choice of the controllers if your going to need one and of course will spend the extra $$$ . I would have rather had a set of custom pipes from MFR instead of the Cobras I have now but would have still installed the PC5 cause I knew I would one day change the intake, which I have and I think it actually runs stronger now if that's possible.
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I know for me it's PC5 no question ask its a proven product as for cobra do what you want it's your bike
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I don't have a dog in this fight but I have been tuning my bike mechanically with a restricter plate in my spike air cleaner and I can tell you that trial and error combined with seat of the pants dyno is highly inaccurate. No matter how good a device is claimed to be if it's not adjusted correctly then it's not doing the job. With an auto adjusting unit such as the cobra it takes all the guess work out of adjusting (and it also takes out poor technician performance) out of the tuning loop thereby ensuring consistent performance in most if not all riding conditions, just as the factory would aim and tune for.

 

I trust you believe what you have written here but I have the formal training and professional experience to say it just ain't so .


Not saying your not a trained professional, (I am to) thats not the point. But where is cobras data to back up what they claim..(any dyno charts) Dynojet has been doing this for a bit longer than cobra and if there were a majic box I think they would have one. Dyno tuning is the only true way to maximize the air/fuel ratio, not lean pulse/rich pulse as with the cobra. Im not really looking for better gas milage, I am looking to maximize horsepower and torque. As far as plug and play goes the PCV is plug and play and will give you better results using a stock map than the cobra will. If you go with doynojet's autotune system you get the best of both worlds custom maps for the ones that want it and no brainer for the ones that dont. and you get it all for about the same price!!
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How about Dyno Jet or Cobra put both tuners on a Fury and run each one on a dyno and see which one performs the best, you know, put up or shut up. If the companies wont how two members do the challenge.

 

V-Twin magazine is coming up in March issue with a report on the Cobra PowrPro on their "Tech review".

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Programmer or not?

I was told by my Honda tech., why take the chance, save your money and when you can afford to buy the programmer then install pipes. The dynojet programer is a digital programmer with almost unlimited programming options,a program can be made by a (dynojet) program center or one of the seven programs on their website. The cobra is more of a analog programmer, manually adjustable.

 

I was told by my Honda tech., why take the chance, save your money and when you can afford to buy the programmer then install pipes. The dynojet programer is a digital programmer with almost unlimited programming options,a program can be made by a (dynojet) program center or one of the seven programs on their website. The cobra is more of a analog programmer, manually adjustable.

Not the PowrPro, there is no setting, the unit do the tunning on the fly...
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I must say that I never ment to cause such a debate over the two units. Honestly all I ever here is PCV so thats just what I assumed was the best option. Both sides make some very valid point and as both sides recomend there is def some homework to be done on my part! However, not to draw anyone away from this but I am really curious as to weather or not I could get by for a few months without either one so that I can go ahead and install some new pipes? Thank you for everyons intrest!

 

Why not try the pipes and if the bike runs lean start blocking off some of the air cleaner inlet. Costs virtually nothing to try. I should like to remind everyone that out of the factory the AU bikes have 2/3 of the stock air filter inlet blocked off with a rubber plug. So mechanically reducing the air flow to control the mixture is proven to work as Honda do it! And Honda don't guess.

 

I have a PCV on my bike and that's all I can say.....

 

Guy française, bien qu'il y ait une certaine spéculation de ma part participé aussi, je suis d'accord avec votre analyse dans les deux messages, y compris l'AutoTune ne pas être en mesure de corriger les autres variables parce qu'il suit toujours la carte. Le problème que je vois, c'est que la carte est créée sur un dyno et non les conditions réelles de conduite.

La nouvelle PowrPro élimine également les corrections pour O2 stoechiométrique sur la croisière, mais il fait le meilleur ratio air-carburant dans toutes les situations. Même sur "croisière constante" Je pense qu'il ya assez de variation minute en position de l'accélérateur et l'accélération pour obtenir une correction mélange. Maintenant, je suis spéculer: depuis le meilleur mélange est stocké en moyenne il peut être utilisé pour la croisière, si la variation de croisière constante est trop faible, car il ya encore un changement d'accélération juste avant le moteur atteint un état de constante.

En ce qui concerne les capteurs d'O2 qui sont à bande étroite, ne vous retirez-les et remplacez-le par un capteur à large bande et deux résistances éliminateur?

 

Thank you for french text !
You know it's very difficult for me to communicate in english

So, we have the same analyzes...

On my bike i have the autotune unit. it's come with 2 O2 sensors (bosch). So i have replaced the stock sensor and plug o2 eliminator in stock wires.

Yes, with only PCV, you must create map on a dyno for better results, or just download a map created by dynojet (on there web site). But you never have the exactly map corresponding to your bike (lot of aftermarket exausts and air filter)...

So it's "good" but not perfect !

After that, all the map in dynojet site are made for US engine. But US engine and EU engine ( for example) have not the same stock ECU map. For example, in France, I have exhaust exit about 2 cm ø, and in US it's about 4 cm ø. In US, octan fuel is 91, in europe 95 or 98 !!!

But with PCV + autotune, the map is not created on a dyno but on the road.
I am ok with you it's really better...

There is two thing with PCV + autotune :
- map
- table AFR
PCV come with a downloaded map for stock engine + a downloaded afr table..

If you just want plug and play. You don't do anything more and it's work perfectly...

But you can also personalize and setting the unit as you want, if you like (I like) :

You can adjust manually the map (it's a little stupid because it's not very sophisticated method and result may not be very perfect)

And you can adjust This afr table.

The downloaded afr table is made by dynojet to have best engine and full power every where except in cruise rpm range to have good compromise fuel mileage/power.

Afr table is like a "target" to say to autotune which air/fuel ratio you want at which rpm/open trhottle.
For example, if you want full power everywhere, you put "13" or "13,2" value (13/1 = air/fuel ratio) in each columns, if you want good compromise between power and fuel mileage you can put "14", or "14,6" value (stoechiométrique air/fuel ratio value, for those who don't know that !).
So you really be able to personalyze that afr table, you could choose to have fuel mileage between 2000 and 4000 rpm and full power after, etc..
It's like you want..
The only problem is to have some knowledge in air/fuel ratio

After, when you run, autotune read O2 sensors for each rpm/open throttle, look what air/fuel ratio you want (afr table), make and save the map in flight parfectly with values who are % adjustement regarding the ECU 's stock map. Every time autotune adjust the map in fly...
So differents barometric pressure are not really a problem in this mode, I think

After few kms, you can save this map on your pc, or on the PCV, because you have two possibility : with a switch, when you ride you can flip the switch beetween the two modes :
Mode 1 : autotune is active and adjust map continually regarding afr table
Mode 2 : PCV use only a map dowloaded on it. This map can be a map made by autotune before...

So you can make differents map with differents afr table, and switch between the two every time...

For me I think it's very good.
I have made a map for fuel mileage, cool cruising, good compromize Power/fuel mileage, and when I switch, I active autotune who have an afr table for full power every where...

So, I think this two units (Cobra and PCV) are good with aftermarket exaust and air filter. Cobra seem to be plug and play and good way on bike without o2 sensors, PCV is good for bike with o2 sensor and for those who like play with differents settings....

But with this two units, we lost sophiticated adjusts provide by ECU PGM FI : air temp, water temp, etc...

 

hey dewking,,,, no I wont say it.

 

what come on say it..lol
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The service manager at the Honda dealership I bought my Fury informed me that they have the best results and feedback on the PC5 hands down. He has had several of the more expensive Fi2000s fail.

I bought the PC5 and Barons Kit to go with the Vance and Hines slip ons. I didn't get the full Cobra exhaust because it looks terrible.

Im going to try and install it. Hopefully it will be do-able.

 

Both are easy installs. You'll be good. Pay extra attention to the wire colors on the harness behind the airbox when installing the pcv.

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Just match up the colors? Nice.

Thats good news thank you.

I tried taking the baffles out of the slip ons and it was open headers loud, plus it runs goofy. The deep tone is gone. I read on another forum to remove the heat insulation material for a louder deep tone and then put the baffles back in. Going to try that later today.